He was my 2nd favorite WR in the draft behind Watkins. With how he was rising I was worried he would not be there. Reminds me of Greg Jennings who was in Green Bay with McAdoo
as to why the Giants believe their offensive line is good enough. They have zero depth and 3 mediocre to shitty starters. How is that good enough? Eli was a disaster last year because of the pressure constantly in his face and outside of Schwartz they did absolutely nothing to improve that.
Don't worry though, they'll get a guy who can step in and play tomorrow or Friday, since Reese has done such a good job finding starting caliber OL after the first round over the last decade. He has yet to find an interior lineman worth a shit in the draft in a decade.
The #1 thing to fix in the off-season for next year was OL. They failed at that.
Paid Cruz, spend a 2nd on Randle, spend a 12th overall pick on a WR. You need 3 WR in the NFL, and our 11 personnel offense was the single biggest reason we won a Super Bowl in 2011. Sure. I get that. But a 12th overall pick is a huge resource to expend on a third WR. What does this say about Randle's future?
I would have much preferred more investment in the OL. I think our OL as constructed will suck this season, and I don't think there's any reason to believe it'll be better than that two years from now.
I like the pick, on the whole, but the team's roster philosophy puzzles me.
But there is no doubt they thought Beckham was a better player. That's ok I trust their choices more than mine. He's a dynamic player and that's what you should get with the 12th pick. Never thought an OL was a better choice this high.
Paid Cruz, spend a 2nd on Randle, spend a 12th overall pick on a WR. You need 3 WR in the NFL, and our 11 personnel offense was the single biggest reason we won a Super Bowl in 2011. Sure. I get that. But a 12th overall pick is a huge resource to expend on a third WR. What does this say about Randle's future?
I would have much preferred more investment in the OL. I think our OL as constructed will suck this season, and I don't think there's any reason to believe it'll be better than that two years from now.
I like the pick, on the whole, but the team's roster philosophy puzzles me.
tl;dr -- the OL... what's up with that
You take BPA and I have Beckham a slot above Martin in my final list
I do like Beckham. I think hes going to be a big time receiver, but I 100% believe you start with the offensive and defensive lines and build your teams that way. Outside of Schwartz I don't think any of their FA signings are any good and I have zero expectations for Snee. I just think Martin was a much bigger need and close enough in value
With Aaron Donald and Martin available??!! IMO not a good move. You have to very important needs in OT & DT, and you pick a WR?? Defense wins champions ships and oline get you there and you pick a Wr?? Hope Eli can get the ball to his Wr without any protection!! Also good secondary but no pressure?? Wow.. Rams defense just got better..
with this spot, but honestly my opinion is just worthless because if you asked me in January who I wanted I would have said Jernigan. He's still on the board and I knew little about Beckham so whatever.
You win in the NFL with playmakers and with Cruz and Beckham, two very good route runners, there is a chance that this West Coast Offense will actually have a chance to succeed. No question though that the offensive line still has some question marks.
RE: He was their higest rated player? With a need at TE, DL, and OL? Â
write and teach music, not evaluate football players. Welcome to the Giants Odell, now let's put together a Hall of Fame career and make everyone who doubted you eat crow!
Add NFL Films Senior Producer Greg Cosell to the long list of analysts and executives that are calling this the best receiver crop in recent memory. Out of this group, which are the best fits for Chip Kelly and the Eagles offense? We asked Cosell for his take, and he offered four names to consider.
"In an ideal world, you've got a guy like Odell Beckham who could easily fit that role. Beckham is terrific. He really is a smooth, fluid athlete with quickness, with speed, really good run after catch, he has really good hands. He knows how to run routes at this point, which is usually rare for a college wide receiver.
"He can do a lot of things in a Chip Kelly offense. He was also willing to block. He blew up Alabama linebacker C.J. Mosley this year; last year he blew up another Alabama linebacker. He is willing to block. Overall, he is a quick, polished, dynamic, versatile wideout with explosive traits both as a route-runner and run after catch. He would absolutely fit a Chip Kelly offense."
3. ODELL BECKHAM, Louisiana State (5-11, 196, 4.40, 1) — Played at Isidore Newman High in New Orleans, the same school that the Manning boys attended. "No holes that I can see," said one scout. "I think he will be great." Third-year junior improved his statistics each season, finishing with 143 catches for 2,340 yards (16.4) and 12 TDs. "He lacks the elite height and size," said another scout. "He has the athletic ability, ability to bend and get in and out of breaks, the catch radius, unbelievable hands, return value. He's a very, very talented player." His father was a running back at LSU and his mother was a national champion track athlete for the Tigers. "Little bit of a diva but he is tough," a third scout said. "More of an outside guy but he can stretch the field. Very, very, very explosive. Intriguing player." Compared by scouts to Marvin Harrison and Greg Jennings.
Would love to know if they would have taken Lewan if he were available. I think they decided that Beckham had a higher upside than Martin. Dont know about Lewin's upside
Chris...last few days yes..because Ralph had some inside Â
the front office looked totally dejected. they wanted lewan.
dont like this pick, especially with donald still on the board.
Donald was NEVER going to be the pick. He doesn't fit their DT archetype. How so many great, knowledgeable fans spent months talking themselves into him despite that is beyond me.
the front office looked totally dejected. they wanted lewan.
dont like this pick, especially with donald still on the board.
That goes 100% against everything we have heard from anyone with a connection to the front office.
I missed whole war room thing, so I can't speak to how disappointed they may or may not have looked, but Vacchiano, who generally is good around draft time, was pretty straight on the Giants wanting Lewan and that if they couldn't have him, Beckham was their most likely get.
if you think he's not an LT in the pro and Pugh is your RT then pick is too high for Martin.
But I do worry that Beckham is another not quite number 1 receiver. A lot of folk were saying he's best suited to the slot which would make him the 3rd slot receiver we've got.
I'd probably have went for Donald to be honest. It was the best need vs bpa
to the Titans was a let down, but I was sure they would take Donald then, but they went with Beckham. He is very fast, great route runner, adjusts to the ball, he can score TDs. I am very happy they didnt spend the #12 overall pick on a utility lineman.
Paid Cruz, spend a 2nd on Randle, spend a 12th overall pick on a WR. You need 3 WR in the NFL, and our 11 personnel offense was the single biggest reason we won a Super Bowl in 2011. Sure. I get that. But a 12th overall pick is a huge resource to expend on a third WR. What does this say about Randle's future?
I would have much preferred more investment in the OL. I think our OL as constructed will suck this season, and I don't think there's any reason to believe it'll be better than that two years from now.
I like the pick, on the whole, but the team's roster philosophy puzzles me.
tl;dr -- the OL... what's up with that
You take BPA and I have Beckham a slot above Martin in my final list
#1. I don't intend this personally, as I would say this to anyone here save for Sy and WA/P, but your final list means absolutely nothing.
#2. You're wrong. You don't just "take BPA".
BPA as an absolute rule is one of the myths of the knowledgeable football fan. WR was a team need. This team wasn't drafting Beckham the BPA if this team had Cruz/Nicks(healthy)/Randle unless Beckham's grade was head-and-shoulders above the rest.
Teams factor in BPA, schematic fit, short-term need, intermediate need, and long-term need. It's a balancing of several factors.
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I like the pick for the individual player-- I like Beckham.
I'm uneasy about the pick from a larger roster construction philosophy standpoint. It fits a Reese pattern of picking the skill position player over the offensive lineman in most instances, and we've had a disaster upfront since 2011 because of it.
He was practically giddy over Odell. He was grinning the whole time, absolutely loves this guy. Reese waxed poetic about him being the highest rated player on their board and how he is a threat from WRPRKR
Odell sounds like a very level headed guy talking to Papa . This was the Giants guy where highest rated meets a need. This will be a great boost to the offense. The one thing TC and Reese said he is Pro Ready to start from day 1
Beckham was my third choice of who was available, Â
but he's not that far off the other two. He's a great athlete, he runs very good routes and he comes from a pro offense in a tough division, so he should help from day one. I like that he returns punts.
Why do we need another slot receiver? Reese needs to be fired now! What a disgrace. We now have the new version of the smurfs. Should have just resigned Hicks. I'm disgusted.
Jimmy..you're right...we were laughing at Randle's comments Â
Why do we need another slot receiver? Reese needs to be fired now! What a disgrace. We now have the new version of the smurfs. Should have just resigned Hicks. I'm disgusted.
He is not a slot receiver...he can play outside, he can return kicks and punts...very versatile receiver...
Why do we need another slot receiver? Reese needs to be fired now! What a disgrace. We now have the new version of the smurfs. Should have just resigned Hicks. I'm disgusted.
Jesus christ.. can you learn a little bit about the player before you make yourself sound like a goddamn fool?
Why do we need another slot receiver? Reese needs to be fired now! What a disgrace. We now have the new version of the smurfs. Should have just resigned Hicks. I'm disgusted.
He's not a slot receiver. Go away if you're disgusted.
Why do we need another slot receiver? Reese needs to be fired now! What a disgrace. We now have the new version of the smurfs. Should have just resigned Hicks. I'm disgusted.
Havent been able to view anything since pick 10.
I realize today's the busiest day of the year, but I've never seen it this bad.
What happened? Were the servers not prepared to handle this much traffic?
We shouldn't have been at all surprised that the Giants went WR Â
Over 1/3 of the Giants picks in rounds 1-3 have been spent on receivers under Reese. 8 of 23 including Beckham. IMO that's way too much attention to one position.
They were locked in on Beckham once Lewan was gone. If they didn't want Donald they could have traded with Chicago, but the Rams would likely have drafted Beckham. The Giants clearly didn't want Martin, and thought Beckham was considerably better than Cooks.
I don't mind the pick, but the idea of Donald and JPP on the same line would have been awesome. Who do you double? Likewise, I have no faith that both Snee and Beatty will be healthy and good in 2014. Apart from Schwartz, I have no faith in those palookas Reese signed in FA. Martin most likely would be starting somewhere on the line, and he a Pugh could be a force for the next decade.
Detroit wanted Ebron, they couldve took an extra 5th and still got there guy, ODB will be good but if for some reason he does not pan out, Reese has got to go
That's who I thought they would take - even with Martin on board Â
We've seen the results of this process -- a terrible allocation of resources. As you mentioned, all those resources spent and the WR corps is buoyed by a UDFA.
is a good as people are making it seem, I will be very happy with the pick. He's got speed, hands and leaping ability...he will be a complete WR if he has route running as well. Reminds me of Hakeem and Cruz put together. Even if he is another Cruz, who wouldn't want that.
Last year, even when the Giants did get time, the offense did not move at all. They needed another weapon to open things up. I just hope they find a good OL in 2nd RD.
to read this board in a couple of years when this kid is a star and is balling with Eli and Cruz. He is a very good football player that fills a need. Can't wait for round 2.
Why do we need another slot receiver? Reese needs to be fired now! What a disgrace. We now have the new version of the smurfs. Should have just resigned Hicks. I'm disgusted.
If BBI's most negative poster, by a mile by the way, hates this pick then I'm fully on board with Beckham as a grand slam selection.
I knew it was coming down to Martin/Beckham I heard that all day from people close to the team. Think about it. Mara said the offense was broken. They weren't taking Donald.
We signed a bunch of Defensive players(Ayers,DRC,Thurmond,McClain, etc)
Now McAdoo and Eli have 2 great WR burners in Cruz and Beckham and a solid Randle and a hopefully suprising Super Mario(2 years to recover from ACL)
We will walk away with 2 starters come day one hopefully more. Beckham and OL in rd 2 hopefully. Possibly a 3rd with a TE like CJ Fred or a RB who can rotate with Jennings like Stephen Hill or Bishop Sankey
Reese will get his OL in rd 2. His TE in rd 3. His DL or RB in rd 4
We've seen the results of this process -- a terrible allocation of resources. As you mentioned, all those resources spent and the WR corps is buoyed by a UDFA.
Kyle, to be fair, Nicks and Smith were very good players until injuries ruined them. Manningham was also good value for a 3rd rounder till he left.
Its an oversimplification, but I'd rather have a very good WR corps and an ok line then visa versa. I think we're a solid 2nd or 3rd round OL pick from being at least an OK line.
color me thrilled. Prime Wayne was stupid good. His dominance was almost quiet because of how consistent it was (although he certainly hasn't suffered in the way of poor QB play). Give McAdoo plenty of toys.
Really hoping Randle continues to develop and turns into a reliable 800-1000 yard guy. He showed so much promise at times and gets in the endzone.
That said about Beckham...still need O-line. Looking forward to Rnd 2 and hoping for Niklas in 3.
Detroit wanted Ebron, they couldve took an extra 5th and still got there guy, ODB will be good but if for some reason he does not pan out, Reese has got to go
Can't throw to WR laying on your back unless Mcadoo really moves to 3-5 step drops. But he does seem to be a good route runner with quickness. I just question his size.
when there are blue chips on the board. We by no means took BPA so that ends any belief I'll ever have that Reece ALWAYS (as he claims) picks BPA cuz clearly he does not.
A short WR who is fast but not lightening fast where we don't have a primary need, when a higher rated player like Donald or Martin (who the Cowboys got) would have clearly helped much more in positions of greater need than a WR is just a terrible pick.
Our run game will continue to suffer without improving the line so we'll be slinging the ball most of the time just like last year and we'll be easy to defend against the pass because of that. Horrible pick!
But, it seems that Martin was of equal value and a bigger need. I don't like that Beckham is under 6'.
Agreed. HOWEVER,they can pick up an OL later that fills their need. It's not necessary the cream of what we pick is this draft is an OL, rather, that we rebuild the line and get it done. a 1st rd pick was judged unecessary. they obviously feel that WR, also a real need, ( as Manning has only Cruz as a dependable pass catcher)was best filled by taking Beckham.
Lets face it, they got the best offensive weapon left in the draft.They decided not to pass up on a guy that could do more to help Manning than an OL AT THAT SPOT. They'll get their linemen later.I hope...
The Giants were fortunate to have a choice of several excellent players at their pick. I look forward to seeing what ODB can do with this team.
It's also apparent that the team weighs the character, maturity and intelligence of players heavily. This is a critical piece of the puzzle that most of us can't see no matter how many Youtube videos we watch.
this guy will be a great addition to this offense and will help out other WRs, as well. Could we have used Martin, yes, but we got a playmaker first and this guy can make things happen on the field. The GIants will not ignore the OL. Fully expect a olineman in the next round. If not, I'd be extremely surprised.
Some guys need to back off the ledge. This guy is the real deal. Check out his tape. Very exciting player. I'm psyched and can't wait to see him in pre-season games.
My issue is with Reese.I don't know who taught him how to build a team but I think he's lost.How many receivers are you gonna take? Not to mention every other year is a strong wide receiver class.
this wasn't just any 1st round pick (certainly not in the context of where the Giants have been in recent years). This was just below a premium spot where top talent is often selected. This ain't Nicks at 29.
Not a commentary on Beckham himself who spurs excitement, but the Giants should categorically expect elite play and hopefully they get it.
Bitonio highest rated Olineman next up or Su'a Fill and any chance either one would be available at 43. I would like to see an online pick at 43. Need a guard if Snee can't go.
when there are blue chips on the board. We by no means took BPA so that ends any belief I'll ever have that Reece ALWAYS (as he claims) picks BPA cuz clearly he does not.
A short WR who is fast but not lightening fast where we don't have a primary need, when a higher rated player like Donald or Martin (who the Cowboys got) would have clearly helped much more in positions of greater need than a WR is just a terrible pick.
Our run game will continue to suffer without improving the line so we'll be slinging the ball most of the time just like last year and we'll be easy to defend against the pass because of that. Horrible pick!
He's been clocked in the 4.3s how much faster does a receiver need to be ??
He was a jack of all trades who is probably best suited to RT. A very good OL player but he probably isn't going to be an LT in the pros (certainly Dallas haven't signed him to be an LT), and we're already set at RT so you'd be using 12 to essentially get an interior oline player even if you move Pugh inside and play Martin at RT.
You can get a guard in the 2nd round, especially the way the draft is working out (you know the run on QB's is coming at the top of the 2nd, and the run on WR's and DB's is now ongoing) and while Martin might be more versatile you can definitely get a very good Guard 2nd round.
I do like Beckham. I think hes going to be a big time receiver, but I 100% believe you start with the offensive and defensive lines and build your teams that way. Outside of Schwartz I don't think any of their FA signings are any good and I have zero expectations for Snee. I just think Martin was a much bigger need and close enough in value
I'm sure you are 100% qualified to disagree. Surprised no NFL team has paid for your expertise.
My issue is with Reese.I don't know who taught him how to build a team but I think he's lost.How many receivers are you gonna take? Not to mention every other year is a strong wide receiver class.
He jumps 2 1/2 inches higher than Nicks and 1 1/2 inches higher than Mike Evans, who happens to be 6 inches taller than him.
Part of the problem is people have re-imagined Hakeem Nicks as this Plaxico Burress size guy (while ignoring Cruz/Manningham/Smith) to fit the silly narrative of Eli only being able to successfully throw to tall WRs.
Beckham balls, he'll probably suddenly be some physical menace of height, even if only in spirit, too.
If you think receiver isnt a primary need on the Giants Â
My issue is with Reese.I don't know who taught him how to build a team but I think he's lost.How many receivers are you gonna take? Not to mention every other year is a strong wide receiver class.
You been asleep the last 8 years. Amirite?
Hey listen,you don't like what I said,I could care less.Have a good night
as you read the comments, i wouldn't be surprised Â
I would have opted for Zack Martin, however Beckham does fill a big need.
That said, I will be a lot happier with the Beckham pick if they get Weston Richburg tomorrow night. I still think OL is their biggest need in this draft, and C is the most glaring of the needs on the OL right now.
(1960-1988) liked the pick. Beckham is a great returner, can run all the routes, and if not for his size might be the best receiver in the draft. He said we can coach up Beatty in pass protection. (How many years does that take?)
Eli, just measured by age, has started on the downside of his career. He is coming off his first serious surgery. I hope we don't start taking his "iron-man" status for granted.
I love the people wringing their hands about his size Â
"You know...I'm starting to warmup to the Beckham pick." Posts which are sure to hit tomorrow after everybody reads the quotes from the giants.
Love the player, question our obsession of sinking high resources into skill players. We have ignored the OL for years, and a value player in Martin was there for us. Now, if we can get Bitonio in the 2nd, this becomes an excellent pick.
The thing that's nice about Beckham is that he's actually a "safe" pick for a WR, a position with an incredibly high bust rate. He's got Reggie Wayne ceiling with a pretty high floor.
Of course, Jennings was a 2nd Round pick, #52 overall. I hope Beckham is worth taking 40 spots higher.
I don't like this logic. Its like complaining about taking Tom Brady 2.0 in the first because the original Tom Brady was a 6th rounder.
Who's complaining? If you were to redo the 2006 draft, you'd probably draft Jennings a hell of a lot earlier. At the very least, he'd get picked before Chad Jackson (36) or Sinorice Moss (44). You might even pick him before Santonio Holmes (25). Would you draft him #12 overall? I don't know, but in my opinion the Giants just did.
I know Pugh was a god send to an OL starved for talent Â
...he's a straight baller, probably moreso than any other WR in this class except for Watkins. I just wanted Donald or Martin more. Both of those guys would have just as much impact on the team as a WR, IMO, and arguably are in a position of greater need.
If the safeties are worried about OB, Randle, and Cruz going deep, that'll leave Jennings and Wilson more room underneath. If the Giants are good with a line of Beatty-Schwartz-Walton-Snee-Pugh, I'm fine with it, Add a good TE like Niklas in rd 2 and a young OL guy to groom behind Snee in rd 3.
I wanted Martin, but, that was due in large part to that debacle of an OL they fielded last year and without knowledge of their board.
Like someone else said - if they view Martin primarily as a guard, versatility notwithstanding, then the move makes more sense.
And, contrary to what John Mara said - we are still not sure we can rely on Jernigan for the entire season and Randle is still a work in progress. That being said, lack of production from these 2nd and 3rd rounders does not make one totally confident re: their ability to pick wrs. They got lucky with Cruz, damn lucky.
Bottom line, absent compelling evidence to the contrary - a reasonable pick.
And I really like Reese so that's saying something. Still in the organization but someone else calling the shots. The Giants needed to have a strong draft and this pick set the organization back.
If he relegates this guy to the bench on a short leash a la David Wilson then this pick was absolute shit. If he gives this guy snaps and lets McAdoo work with him, we might have something.
Yeah let's take Aaron Donald who is undersized and doesn't fit their mold of DT. Yet some of you didn't want Pugh because his arms were too "short". Some of you are clueless, didn't half of BBI not want Donald for the last 2 weeks ?
Beckhams a good pick, can play on the outside and the slot, watch his tape. There are times when he's the only WR on the field in a run heavy formation drawing double coverage and still making catches. He has the best and most consistent hands in this draft.
to look past height with Beckham. He has a freak build with long arms and huge hands, much like Hakeem. You watch some of the catches he makes and see his catch radius and it is not that of a typical sub 6ft reciever. He plays bigger than his height, and his athleticism is unbelievable. This is the guy who Nick Saban found after the LSU-Bama game and said "we couldnt cover your ass". Big upside with Beckham, I really like this pick.
He is a great pickup and takes care of another need for the Giants, but not over players like Aaron Donald or Zack Martin imo.. Aaron Donald has the potential to be a future pro bowler as well as Martin. You don't pass on prospects like Donald.. It's like passing on N.Suh for a WR??
Santonio Holmes and Greg Jennings werent huge but were decent red zone guys. Guys dont stand taller than everybody else and catch TDs. They go up and get the damn thing.
in that order...disappointed we didn't get Donald to pair up with JPP, but I knew we couldn't go wrong with #12. ODB is like another Victor Cruz...now we have TWO Victor Cruzes!!! That is freakin' insane!
looking at available O-line in the 2nd round vs available WR....there is much better depth at O-line prospects, so I'm glad we went this route...the only other alternative to O-line tomorrow, for me, would be a TE like ASJ.
thought this pick was going to be able to solve all their woes, but, it could have addressed the one position of uncertainty - left tackle. It was being viewed in conjunction with all the FA moves.
This could have hopefully filled that last position.
Didn't realize that his time in the 3 cone drill at the combine was 6.69. I believe that was the fastest time of all the receivers in this draft and we all know how much the Giants value this drill. I really wanted a player in the trenches because that is really where games are won and lost but let's see what we come out with tomorrow. There are some very good offensive lineman still available. I'm hoping for Bitonio.
A couple of others in the mix as well but those seemed to be our real options at the time. Barr, Ebron, and Lewan go during picks 9-11. So then it looks like this in my eyes when it's our turn to pick at 12...
Donald
Martin
Beckham
I wasn't thrilled with the pick because I thought we needed to get stronger in the trenches. I thought both Donald and Martin would be better picks for the Giants than Beckham. Donald's size is an issue but his pass rushing potential inside next to Big Hank and JPP was something I wanted to see. Interior pressure is so important in today's game with the short drops, and Donald has rare pass rush potential from the inside. Martin would've been a solid pick as well. He would've had a lower ceiling than Donald but he was probably the highest floor player in our draft range. Seems like a safe bet to be a very valuable and versatile OLineman, although he may never become a Franchise OT.
I had Beckham ranked behind Donald/Martin, but I also did have him ranked 3rd. I'm not completely sold on him because of his size. I don't know if he is powerful enough to outmuscle NFL DBs. The rest of his game looks very nice. Good looking arms/hands and speed to get deep. Smooth route runner whose biggest asset may be his ability to get separation. I like Beckham + cheaper TE over Ebron + cheaper WR, because Ebron lacks the versatility of Beckham. Ebron is a pass-first TE who is capable of blocking but best running routes. By drafting Beckham, the Giants can still try and find a better run blocking TE who can also make an impact in the passing game.
Big pick and I wonder how much McAdoo played a role in this. Beckham looks like the type of WR that the Packers would draft. He could also help Randle improve his chemistry with Eli. I wanted to go trenches with Martin/Donald but if we were going to go skill position, Beckham was a fine choice at our spot. I'm not going to grade this pick before seeing the rest of the draft, if we fail to address the OL in rounds 2/3/4 I might turn on this pick. But if we can land one or two OLineman in these next 3 rounds, I'll be more open to this pick.
I can't help but think about Will Beatty, it's clear this team is counting on him. He needs to step it up and earn his paycheck.
This draft is nearly as deep at it as it is at WR Â
and you have a stud DT go one pick after you and you pick a undersized speed receiver @ 12 instead of moving back and picking him up or moving up. Staying put as a rule of thumb doesn't always work in the end and it's why they've had so many avg to bad drafts the past five years.
Full disclosure, I know little about Beckham, but from what I've read, it seems a solid pick. I would have preferred some offensive line help, and at that point would have taken Martin. But I'm certainly no expert, and will defer to JR and crew.
But here's what I hate: that Dallas took Martin.
Reminds me of when we passed on Sean Lee, who I so wanted the Giants to draft. Hate watching him play against us knowing we could have had him (with apologies to Linval, who was a solid pick).
Hope I don't have the same feeling with Martin down the line.
They needed someone opposite Cruz - you aren't going to solve all the problems in one draft and the Giants really don't have picks to spare - they have a lot of holes.
They have had bad drafts because of blowing 2nd and 3rd round picks - they didn't need to trader up for Jernigan, Austin, Sintim, Barden, Brewer, etc - blown 2nd day picks that's what hurt the Giants
But I don't love it either. Martin would've been my pick there. I think OL is a lot more of a need than WR, especially with Eli coming off a surgery and a year when he was on his back more than upright. Yes, we signed a good G in the offseason in Schwartz but Walton is coming off a 2 year absence and Jerry/Brown are swing tackles at best. Beatty is coming off a broken leg. Snee is a shell of himself. Martin could've been a starter from day 1 at G or T.
I really think Lewan being taken the pick before screwed everything up. I think Lewan was their preference between him and Martin and he would've been our pick if the Titans didn't take him. I think at best Beckham will be our #3 WR. I don't see him beating out Cruz or Randle. And with the 12th pick, you gotta hope for more than a #3 WR even in year one.
was good enough for a 6th place tie....off topic: this Jeff Janis kid from Saginaw Valley has some damn impressive measureables! looks like another Jordy Nelson, only faster!
All the great things the Giants keep saying about RR. With how the 1st round transpired I thought Donald was the most "Giantesque" pick but there is a reason why we are fans and they run a football team. IMO our dline is the biggest need we have. Yes Jenkins was good last year and Hankins showed signs but with Tuck gone, JPP's status really an unknown, and Joseph gone my thinking was Dline.
I wasn't as remotely into Donald as most of BBI appeared to be, so Â
I don't care that he wasn't picked. However, I do think the downfall of the 2013 NY Giants was one of the sport's worst o-lines. (I also didn't think the Giants needed to draft a WR.) I'm stunned they didn't take Martin.
I like ODB, but I just didn't see this as a position of need.
I don't care that he wasn't picked. However, I do think the downfall of the 2013 NY Giants was one of the sport's worst o-lines. (I also didn't think the Giants needed to draft a WR.) I'm stunned they didn't take Martin.
I like ODB, but I just didn't see this as a position of need.
This^^^
Hopefully Bitonio is there in the 2nd & we actually take him. But even then, the drop-off, while not significant, is still a drop-off between Martin & Bitonio. In my opinion, you have to get more than a #3 WR with the 12th pick.
Teams doubled Cruz because they didn't fear anyone else last year.
It is a position of need. But OL is more of a position of need when your franchise QB is immobile as it is and on top of that is coming off a surgery. Not to mention his LT is coming off a broken leg. Beckham wasn't a horrible pick, but the Giants missed the boat not taking Martin who could've at worst been our starting RG from day one. And who could've kicked out to T if Beatty wasn't healthy or played like shit like he did last year.
why did they pass on Zack Martin?? Also if they would have went with Aaron Donald and needed a WR, they still could have picked one up in the 2nd rd. Draft is deep in WR, maybe have gone with Jordan Matthews in the 2nd?!
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How many # 1 receivers do we need? Other teams #1s get doubled too. They find a way. I'm not really down on the pick but I trust a protected Eli more than a WR considering we have a #1(Cruz is paid for it) and a WR that has shown promise in RR and a good coaching staff. Like I said these guys run the team for a reason but as a fan I'd have gone elsewhere. Either way we're going to be fine.
Eric... I think the team needed to get more out of the people they Â
already have. The first step would be playing Jernigan. The second, and perhaps most important step, is to have Randle and Eli (actually, all of the receivers) know exactly what's supposed to happen on a given play. I don't know if either of those guys will blossom into solid WRs, but I know for a fact the o-line is a fucking mess.
I think the drop-off between Martin and what's available now is larger than the drop-off between ODB and guys like Allen Robinson, Marquis Lee, and Jordan Matthews.
So much for my prognostication skills. Right now the main thing Â
I like about the pick is that the Giants left both Aaron Donald and Zack Martin on the board to take Beckham. So they must see something (things, I hope) in him that they didn't believe they could get with a WR at 43.
One thing for sure, they got a smaller guy than most of the top WR prospects that will still be on the board at 43.
I would have taken either Martin or Donald at 12, probably Donald. Or tried very hard to move back to 32 and taken Marqise Lee (if his medicals are OK.)
Now I'm praying for Tuitt, Hageman, Bitonio, Koundijo(sp?), Sua-Filo (sp?) and Moses, all to be on the board still at 43. Or at least 2 of them.
I thought for sure that they were going to take Martin and then Donald was my second choice. We'll see and I hope the rest of these pics will consist of offensive lineman. I'm guessing TE, G, and C??
that summarized the traits of the top 10 impact WRs currently in the NFL, and 9 of them were 6'3" or taller. So maybe Beckham is going to be a bit less successful than you'd hope for out of a #12 pick?
You ^^^ have no real clue as to who will turn out to be a better pro between Martin, Donald and Beckham, neither does anyone else here. Hopefully the Giants got this one right?
Well someone recently (two days ago?) posted a link to an article Â
that summarized the traits of the top 10 impact WRs currently in the NFL, and 9 of them were 6'3" or taller. So maybe Beckham is going to be a bit less successful than you'd hope for out of a #12 pick?
You ^^^ have no real clue as to who will turn out to be a better pro between Martin, Donald and Beckham, neither does anyone else here. Hopefully the Giants got this one right?
Just watched his interview with Shmelk. They look eye to eye, maybe Shmelk is a bit taller.
Lordy I hope this is not a mistake!
If Taylor Lewan had made it past Tennessee at #11 Â
I think he would have been our pick. We needed a WR and I'm OK with Odell Beckham if he's as good as the Giants seem to think he is. Now, let's get a solid TE in round two and an OL in round #3!
but from what I've seen of Beckham before the draft, my first thought was he wouldn't fit well in Gilbride's offense but he has the type of style/game that would excel in a Packers-like offense. And I agree when people say he can be similar to Jennings. You have to think the Giants and McAdoo had that in mind too.
First CBS Sports says He's a B+. How can you grade someone who hasn't had a chance to show what he can and will do. With that being said, I would have hoped with a number 12 pick we would get someone that has a A grade.
I thought Eli liked big tall receivers..someone that can go up and fight for the ball. Beckham is what 5'11''. 'Heard that here on BBI'.
Plus didn't we already have a 'Beckham' that had all kinds of potential. ;-)!
The Giants may have liked him because he was BPA rather than feeling that they had to take an OT in Round 1. Tennessee was working a trade with Cleveland that fell through at the last minute and then I think panicked. They took Warmack last year and added Oher in Free Agency and they still have Roos at LT. That pick reaked of "we need to get our pick in and Lewan is BPA regardless of position on our board"
looking at available O-line in the 2nd round vs available WR....there is much better depth at O-line prospects, so I'm glad we went this route...the only other alternative to O-line tomorrow, for me, would be a TE like ASJ.
I hope you are right. This is what I've been wondering too.
Among Beckham, Donald, and Martin I have no problem with the pick, I do believe, however, we would have drafted Lewan, and I was really surprised when the Titans took him.
protecting Eli. You win in the trenches. Martin should have been taken first. How long will it take before Coughlin lets this kid play? Pugh was a good example of picking a number one OL man. Need more guys like him. No matter how good a WR runs a route, if Eli is running for his life he's not going to help.
Looking at his stats, he has about a 9 yards avg. for returns (mostly punts), with 2 TDS in his time at LSU. His highlight videos alone would lead one to believe he's a return monster. He isn't. Judging by the numbers, he has good vision but probably better blocking and needs space to see the field.
When he was drafted I had visions of splitting him out and using him for end-arounds, working in the flat and screen passes -- something I felt the Giants sorely needed -- but, again, judging from his highlight reels (I never watched him play for LSU), he doesn't appear to operate well in tight spaces. He needs room and he requires separation.
He averages about 16 yards after completion. This is a good number but I don't think it's due to him being elusive. He creates good separation and runs tight, crisp routes. In the end I think he'll be a perfect compliment to Cruz and the Giants can really pick up major chunks of offense (barring a complete OL collapse). He has big, soft hands and a helluva reach for a shorter WR. I think that impressed me the most.
it will be very telling how healthy the vet free agent OLs are Â
I like the pick. A LOT. If the Giants really wanted Lewan, they could have moved up a spot or 2 to grab him.
And this is a big deal. This kid has the exact skillset Eli works best with - excellent at ball location and bringing it in - my favorite highlights are the ones where he quickly locates passes that ARE NOT on the money and brings them in. Such throws are common with Manning, and at Eli's best, he had Plax and Nicks reeling those ducks in.
because I think a young, versatile offensive lineman is still needed for the OL rebuild. Hopefully, OL is addressed tonight.
As for the pick, WR is absolutely a need and it appears there was a lot of value there. I do know the Eagles were high on Beckham and fans wanted them to trade up and snag him.
nothing against the kid Beckham, but HOW COULD THEY DO THIS? Â
The OL still sucks. 3 of the 5 positions are at best ?s. The DL lost LJ and lacks pass rushers. I was expecting them to run to the podium and take Martin. I would have been happier with Donald then OBJ. It starts and ends with line play. WHat good is OBJ running downfield when Eli doesn't have time to throw it to him. And oh yeah, their running game sucked last year too.
RE: nothing against the kid Beckham, but HOW COULD THEY DO THIS? Â
The OL still sucks. 3 of the 5 positions are at best ?s. The DL lost LJ and lacks pass rushers. I was expecting them to run to the podium and take Martin. I would have been happier with Donald then OBJ. It starts and ends with line play. WHat good is OBJ running downfield when Eli doesn't have time to throw it to him. And oh yeah, their running game sucked last year too.
Total number of first-round offensive linemen on the 2007 and 2011 super bowl teams: 0
RE: RE: nothing against the kid Beckham, but HOW COULD THEY DO THIS? Â
The OL still sucks. 3 of the 5 positions are at best ?s. The DL lost LJ and lacks pass rushers. I was expecting them to run to the podium and take Martin. I would have been happier with Donald then OBJ. It starts and ends with line play. WHat good is OBJ running downfield when Eli doesn't have time to throw it to him. And oh yeah, their running game sucked last year too.
Total number of first-round offensive linemen on the 2007 and 2011 super bowl teams: 0
Different situation TTH. They were able to build and replenish with solid mid round picks (Dueihl), UDFA (Seubert) ans FAs (O'Hara, McKenzie)and do it gradually. This OL is a mess because of poor signings and drafts. It's a much more dire situation now than in 2005
Like it or not, the Giants did what they always do (post G. Young) Â
True to form, and historic tendency, they took the skill player over the OL (and an undersized DT) in the top half of the draft, after solidifying their OL (a bit) via FA.
Would have been interesting to see if they would have taken Beckham if Lewan was still there as well as Martin, but they probably still would have.
I don't agree. The offensive line was a disaster in 2003 Â
They went with Snee in the 2nd in 2004, and guys nobody had heard of. O'Hara was an afterthought when they signed him.
Kareem McKenzie wasn't even the big-name Free Agent tackle that year.It was Jonas Jennings, and he turned out to be a bust.
The panic over not going offensive line confounds me. There's a lot of talent in the 2nd and we have a pick in the upper part of it. Su-a Filo, Yankey, Bitonio, Moses, Kouandijo are still on the board.
I don't think it says anything about Rueben Randle. We lost Nicks and Beckham is his replacement. So, at this point, Beckham-Cruz-Randle. We got nothing out of Nicks last year but I believe we will get a lot out of Beckham this year.
A few official measureables: faster than Evans and Watkins in the 10 and faster than Evans in the 40 and as fast as Watkins; much faster than both of them in the short shuttle and 3 cone; and while no Nicks in hand size (10 1/2"), bigger hands (10") than Watkins and Evans (each at 9 1/2").
I guess the thinking of the FO is that we signed Schwartz, Jerry and Brown for the OL but only Manningham at WR and who knows about his knee. So, BPA, Need and Depth came together to draft Beckham.
he was either a guard or a RT. He'll play guard initially for the cowpokes then probably move to RT in the future. You don't pick guards at 12 unless they are stick on all pro's and we have our RT of the future in Pugh.
You can get a good guard in the 2nd round and unless there is an almighty run on interior o-line then we have a good shot at getting some very good guards.
People are talking about Martin like he was a nailed on all-pro LT. He wasn't. He's a very good oline player but at 12 he'd need to play RT for us and we already have one. There's no value in a guard at 12.
They're clearly banking on this kid being special Â
Once again Reese gets caught with his pants down. Reminiscent
of the Wilson draft when they were sure they would get Martin. Now we get a 5'10" with average speed to play opposite another 5'10" WR makes no sense. Especially in a league where the DB's are getting bigger and bigger. Move up, move down do something! They should rehire Gilbride and run the run and shoot with all these smurf receivers. Just disgusting.
Once again Reese gets caught with his pants down. Reminiscent
of the Wilson draft when they were sure they would get Martin. Now we get a 5'10" with average speed to play opposite another 5'10" WR makes no sense. Especially in a league where the DB's are getting bigger and bigger. Move up, move down do something! They should rehire Gilbride and run the run and shoot with all these smurf receivers. Just disgusting.
Holy crap. you are becoming the worst poster on this board. And that's saying something. Hit the bricks, suckbag.
Once again Reese gets caught with his pants down. Reminiscent
of the Wilson draft when they were sure they would get Martin. Now we get a 5'10" with average speed to play opposite another 5'10" WR makes no sense. Especially in a league where the DB's are getting bigger and bigger. Move up, move down do something! They should rehire Gilbride and run the run and shoot with all these smurf receivers. Just disgusting.
Not only are your posts factually inaccurate, but you also sound like a clueless fool.
Once again Reese gets caught with his pants down. Reminiscent
of the Wilson draft when they were sure they would get Martin. Now we get a 5'10" with average speed to play opposite another 5'10" WR makes no sense. Especially in a league where the DB's are getting bigger and bigger. Move up, move down do something! They should rehire Gilbride and run the run and shoot with all these smurf receivers. Just disgusting.
this pick does not make sense in our offensive system
but we have a NEW OC and a new system
so perhaps we need to get rid of our preconceived notions of what the Giants Offensive needs are
this pick does not make sense in our offensive system
but we have a NEW OC and a new system
so perhaps we need to get rid of our preconceived notions of what the Giants Offensive needs are
Offensive line is a need in any NFL offensive system. That being said, I expect less option routes and more shorter routes which means plays and routes should develop faster. By make more quicker routes/throws that means the offensive line has to block for a shorter amount of time. So does that de-emphasize the OL a bit? Maybe?
wasn't down on the player, just thought more value was there with Donald. But that's splitting hairs and I do think WR is a slightly bigger need than DT (you can make an argument for either). I think Randle would have been fine as our #2, but now he can battle it out and prove it, or be a great #3.
I'm confident we will land a good OL next, or a TE.
Once again Reese gets caught with his pants down. Reminiscent
of the Wilson draft when they were sure they would get Martin. Now we get a 5'10" with average speed to play opposite another 5'10" WR makes no sense. Especially in a league where the DB's are getting bigger and bigger. Move up, move down do something! They should rehire Gilbride and run the run and shoot with all these smurf receivers. Just disgusting.
You know, back in 2009 I really wanted the Giants to draft James Laurinitis in the 1st round. I figured they could get a WR later on. Well, they drafted Hakeem Nicks instead, and I was pissed. Two years later, not so much, though.
So, this year, when the Giants passed on Aaron Donald in favor of Odell Beckham, Jr., I decided to take it in stride. I think you should do the same.
its so incredibly shortsighted and unfair to claim Reese is stupid, got caught with his pants down, or whatever ridiculous claim people are using.
Reese has faults, he's had bad picks and some bad drafts, but he's also done way more good than bad. He didn't take a kicker, he took a WR who's a great route runner with superb hands, filling an area of need. That can't be debated and it's what people should focus on when discussing the pick.
he is not just a speed guy and not just a returner...he is a great route runner and with his speed can get seperation something the Giants receivers of recent times have failed to do...
Some experts called him the best route runner and most versatile receiver in this draft...
if he was a couple of inches taller he may have been viewed as the best wr in this class...
He has great hands..he had some drops a couple of years ago but came back strong last year and was a very reliable receiver...
He is going to surprise a lot of people...he has dynamic playmaking ability...
I think he could be used like Randal Cobb was used in GB BUT can be split out wide when they need him to be so you can have Randle, Cruz and Bekcham on the field together...
He is a good route runner with average speed. He also makes questionable decisions in the punt game. TC will not have this guy back there. Simply not worthy of the 12th pick in the draft with so many other glaring needs.
they can still get very good Dline players in rds 2 and 3. WR was a great need as Eric said. Beckham can fly and his return abilities will help the Giants immensely. RD 2 best Dline availiable. RD 3 TE or OL and the reverse in RD.4 somewhere we need to add a LB.
ODB shot up the boards in what seems like 24 hours. Seems ages ago Marquis Lee was considered the #3 WR off the board.
The more I see and learn about this kid, the more I love this pick. Even though I wanted a pass rusher, another weapon for Eli is gold. I heard Roman say Beckham takes the top off the defense, opening things up for Cruz, Randle and a TE to be named later.(today?)
I heard Tom say he can step right in and play. Reese seemed to love the fact that he is "three-pronged", that he can help us in 3 phases, kickoffs, punt returns and as a receiver. Our specials are weak as hell, but all of a sudden we have two huge threats there, Trindon and now ODB. Now we might actually get some field position, and the momentum changes that come with that.
Les Miles and Cam Cameron love the guy. Ray Lewis of all people was all over ODB just before the Giants picked him, which was surprising to me at least.
It also may light a fire under Randle, the LSU bros reunited.
A new day on offense for the Giants. Welcome Odell!
He is a good route runner with average speed. He also makes questionable decisions in the punt game. TC will not have this guy back there. Simply not worthy of the 12th pick in the draft with so many other glaring needs.
Average speed? He ran a 4.43 40 at the combine and had the fastest 20 and 60 yd shuttle of all WRs! Are you blind?
Will be better than mike Evans and that is a lock. Scouts refer to Evans and constantly say one word "potential." With OBJ there is no maybe and no questions marks. He played in an nfl style ststem and was asked to run nfl routes. Mike Evans lined up on the right side of the formation and never in the slot. People are too enamored with size and not skill. OBJ , lee and cooks are the most skilled wideouts once you get last Watkins. Great pick by Reese.
With great hand technique. He's also the same size as Cruz, Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings etc who also do a very good job with press. If you think you need to be a "big" WR to get off press coverage then you're simply not paying attention.
hardly any talk about beckham for the giants at 12--lots for the jets at 18--but the giants do need a top notch WR. and this doesnt mean that randle is a bust because there will be many 3 WR lineups with randle and beckham outside and cruz in the slot. and with 4 WR lineups add jerrigan in a slot. we saw lots of that in GB who didnt have huge receivers.
With great hand technique. He's also the same size as Cruz, Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings etc who also do a very good job with press. If you think you need to be a "big" WR to get off press coverage then you're simply not paying attention.
Ugh, the tone of my post was not what I wanted. I meant to write "how is he AT getting off the press. Leaving out "AT" makes me sound like a skeptic rather than just asking about a part of his game. Doh!
makes me count to to 100 before I respond, but average speed? He was the fastest WR in and out of routes at the combine, he gets off the LOS against press coverage. Once he is even with a CB, it's over. Mendenhall you are a big.............
makes me count to to 100 before I respond, but average speed? He was the fastest WR in and out of routes at the combine, he gets off the LOS against press coverage. Once he is even with a CB, it's over. Mendenhall you are a big.............
is not that big and it was know that the measurables during the combine were actually better with Beckham. With this new offensive system Beckham will hopefully be able to jump right in and run his route and not have to read and react as much as our receivers in the past, which has taken time for them to get on the field.
Plus he can help out in the return game as well..
The route running and hands is more important than the speed Â
Meant Jason Verrett. Watch the tape of that game and see how Beckham performed when he was lined up against him. Guys in shorts at the combine mean nothing. Watch then you can call me anything you want.
Meant Jason Verrett. Watch the tape of that game and see how Beckham performed when he was lined up against him. Guys in shorts at the combine mean nothing. Watch then you can call me anything you want.
Oh you mean the game where he had 5 catches for 118 yards?
He is a good route runner with average speed. He also makes questionable decisions in the punt game. TC will not have this guy back there. Simply not worthy of the 12th pick in the draft with so many other glaring needs.
He is a good route runner with average speed. He also makes questionable decisions in the punt game. TC will not have this guy back there. Simply not worthy of the 12th pick in the draft with so many other glaring needs.
this
There are 6 more rounds holy shit relax...
RE: People realize there are still 6 more rounds right? Â
Don't look at the overall stats look at the tape when he was matched directly against Verrett. He couldn't separate. Verrett also lined up against Landry not just Beckham. It was not a top 12 pick in the draft performance.
Don't look at the overall stats look at the tape when he was matched directly against Verrett. He couldn't separate. Verrett also lined up against Landry not just Beckham. It was not a top 12 pick in the draft performance.
So 5 catches 118 yards with a long of 44 yards
2 rushes for 18 yards
4 kick off returns 136 yards
thats not a good performance?
oh and here is the tape since your to lazy to provide it...everyone cna be the judge.. Link - ( New Window )
Don't look at the overall stats look at the tape when he was matched directly against Verrett. He couldn't separate. Verrett also lined up against Landry not just Beckham. It was not a top 12 pick in the draft performance.
and Landry was 8 for 109... another shut down performance.
in one of the worst plays I saw him beat press coverage and get 2-3 steps on the corner. Probably a touchdown if the QB doesn't pass over the middle to an open guy for the first.
I didn't watch the whole video though.
anyone else start watching interviews of the guy? Â
the Verrett tape against LSU to support his opinion that Verrett's size presents a problem against a variety of WRs, not just those who are 6'3" plus. He showed plays where Beckham and Landry out-quicked and out-muscled Verrett.
some of you guys are and the language you use if you don't agree with someone. Take a deep breath folks!
Personally, I'm extremely disappointed with the pick (but not the prospect), if that makes sense. Just an opinion. I've been getting ourlads for a decade. They seem to fancy him a quality WR, but I just think we had greater needs elsewhere. I love high, non project, OL guys. Even a guy like Petitgout, for all his warts, served a great purpose for so long. Our OL was atrocious last year. Obviously, FAs were signed, but it would have been nice to have another blue or at least close to blue chipper up there. There are 6 rounds left, but again, just an opinion.
Why do we need another slot receiver? Reese needs to be fired now! What a disgrace. We now have the new version of the smurfs. Should have just resigned Hicks. I'm disgusted.
Post of the year right here. I'm not even sure where to begin. Bravo, sir. Bravo.
Ok, I take it back. I can start with "Hicks" and move on to calling a WR group that will start a trio measuring 6', 5'11" and 6'3" as "smurfs." If that was a CB group, they'd be considered enormous.
Anyway, welcome Odell.
Everyone duck and cover!
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Don't worry though, they'll get a guy who can step in and play tomorrow or Friday, since Reese has done such a good job finding starting caliber OL after the first round over the last decade. He has yet to find an interior lineman worth a shit in the draft in a decade.
The #1 thing to fix in the off-season for next year was OL. They failed at that.
Cross your fingers for Eli next year.
dont like this pick, especially with donald still on the board.
I would have much preferred more investment in the OL. I think our OL as constructed will suck this season, and I don't think there's any reason to believe it'll be better than that two years from now.
I like the pick, on the whole, but the team's roster philosophy puzzles me.
tl;dr -- the OL... what's up with that
No one here knows the Giants board.
Giants trust the scouting process they invest so much in.
Not that unsimple.
I would have much preferred more investment in the OL. I think our OL as constructed will suck this season, and I don't think there's any reason to believe it'll be better than that two years from now.
I like the pick, on the whole, but the team's roster philosophy puzzles me.
tl;dr -- the OL... what's up with that
You take BPA and I have Beckham a slot above Martin in my final list
dont like this pick, especially with donald still on the board.
That goes 100% against everything we have heard from anyone with a connection to the front office.
Maybe Lewan will get so mad he didn't come here he'll rape someone!
You win in the NFL with playmakers and with Cruz and Beckham, two very good route runners, there is a chance that this West Coast Offense will actually have a chance to succeed. No question though that the offensive line still has some question marks.
He's been linked to the Giants for days. Who was surprised by this?
Wow, so you have knowledge that he rejected a trade offer?
Eli's gonna be getting rid of the ball much more quickly in McAdoo's offense, and Beckham can get open in a flash. He's our new X receiver.
Odell Beckham, LSU (6-0, 187)
CBS Sports projected draft round: 1
"In an ideal world, you've got a guy like Odell Beckham who could easily fit that role. Beckham is terrific. He really is a smooth, fluid athlete with quickness, with speed, really good run after catch, he has really good hands. He knows how to run routes at this point, which is usually rare for a college wide receiver.
"He can do a lot of things in a Chip Kelly offense. He was also willing to block. He blew up Alabama linebacker C.J. Mosley this year; last year he blew up another Alabama linebacker. He is willing to block. Overall, he is a quick, polished, dynamic, versatile wideout with explosive traits both as a route-runner and run after catch. He would absolutely fit a Chip Kelly offense."
http://www.phillymag.com/birds247/2014/03/19/cosell-receiver-fits-chip/
From Bob McGinn:
http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/rating-the-nfl-draft-prospects-wide-receivers-and-tight-ends-b99258025z1-257423561.html
dont like this pick, especially with donald still on the board.
Donald was NEVER going to be the pick. He doesn't fit their DT archetype. How so many great, knowledgeable fans spent months talking themselves into him despite that is beyond me.
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the front office looked totally dejected. they wanted lewan.
dont like this pick, especially with donald still on the board.
That goes 100% against everything we have heard from anyone with a connection to the front office.
I missed whole war room thing, so I can't speak to how disappointed they may or may not have looked, but Vacchiano, who generally is good around draft time, was pretty straight on the Giants wanting Lewan and that if they couldn't have him, Beckham was their most likely get.
Actually his vertical was 38.5 inches at the combine
But I do worry that Beckham is another not quite number 1 receiver. A lot of folk were saying he's best suited to the slot which would make him the 3rd slot receiver we've got.
I'd probably have went for Donald to be honest. It was the best need vs bpa
but if they're going to be expecting Eli to hang in for intermediate-long throws all the time, I dunno
My daughter said "I thought it was the Giants Dad. How come everyone is booing?"
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Paid Cruz, spend a 2nd on Randle, spend a 12th overall pick on a WR. You need 3 WR in the NFL, and our 11 personnel offense was the single biggest reason we won a Super Bowl in 2011. Sure. I get that. But a 12th overall pick is a huge resource to expend on a third WR. What does this say about Randle's future?
I would have much preferred more investment in the OL. I think our OL as constructed will suck this season, and I don't think there's any reason to believe it'll be better than that two years from now.
I like the pick, on the whole, but the team's roster philosophy puzzles me.
tl;dr -- the OL... what's up with that
You take BPA and I have Beckham a slot above Martin in my final list
#1. I don't intend this personally, as I would say this to anyone here save for Sy and WA/P, but your final list means absolutely nothing.
#2. You're wrong. You don't just "take BPA".
BPA as an absolute rule is one of the myths of the knowledgeable football fan. WR was a team need. This team wasn't drafting Beckham the BPA if this team had Cruz/Nicks(healthy)/Randle unless Beckham's grade was head-and-shoulders above the rest.
Teams factor in BPA, schematic fit, short-term need, intermediate need, and long-term need. It's a balancing of several factors.
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I like the pick for the individual player-- I like Beckham.
I'm uneasy about the pick from a larger roster construction philosophy standpoint. It fits a Reese pattern of picking the skill position player over the offensive lineman in most instances, and we've had a disaster upfront since 2011 because of it.
Odell sounds like a very level headed guy talking to Papa . This was the Giants guy where highest rated meets a need. This will be a great boost to the offense. The one thing TC and Reese said he is Pro Ready to start from day 1
They have to get more help for the OL. But it's hard not to like adding a weapon like Beckham
He's a like a mini, faster Nicks with his long arms, huge hands and great RAC ability.
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He is not a slot receiver...he can play outside, he can return kicks and punts...very versatile receiver...
Jesus christ.. can you learn a little bit about the player before you make yourself sound like a goddamn fool?
Neither of those guys are big speed guys on the outside. They needed this guy.
He's not a slot receiver. Go away if you're disgusted.
Slot WR? WTF are you talking about?
It's amazing that Giants fans, especially, can watch Victor Cruz do what Victor Cruz does and think that way.
I realize today's the busiest day of the year, but I've never seen it this bad.
What happened? Were the servers not prepared to handle this much traffic?
Since 2006 we've taken 7 WRs in the top three rounds. Incidentally and undrafted guy, Cruz, is the best WR on the roster.
They were locked in on Beckham once Lewan was gone. If they didn't want Donald they could have traded with Chicago, but the Rams would likely have drafted Beckham. The Giants clearly didn't want Martin, and thought Beckham was considerably better than Cooks.
I don't mind the pick, but the idea of Donald and JPP on the same line would have been awesome. Who do you double? Likewise, I have no faith that both Snee and Beatty will be healthy and good in 2014. Apart from Schwartz, I have no faith in those palookas Reese signed in FA. Martin most likely would be starting somewhere on the line, and he a Pugh could be a force for the next decade.
this kid is going to be a star .
Good pick.
We've seen the results of this process -- a terrible allocation of resources. As you mentioned, all those resources spent and the WR corps is buoyed by a UDFA.
Last year, even when the Giants did get time, the offense did not move at all. They needed another weapon to open things up. I just hope they find a good OL in 2nd RD.
Snee healthier...mac is
Using fast throws and screens.
The good teams burnt our D
When we blitzed...now we do
Same...
Its round one people.. Its not like drafting that ONE offensive lineman was going to fix the ENTIRE line..
If BBI's most negative poster, by a mile by the way, hates this pick then I'm fully on board with Beckham as a grand slam selection.
We signed a bunch of Defensive players(Ayers,DRC,Thurmond,McClain, etc)
Now McAdoo and Eli have 2 great WR burners in Cruz and Beckham and a solid Randle and a hopefully suprising Super Mario(2 years to recover from ACL)
We will walk away with 2 starters come day one hopefully more. Beckham and OL in rd 2 hopefully. Possibly a 3rd with a TE like CJ Fred or a RB who can rotate with Jennings like Stephen Hill or Bishop Sankey
Reese will get his OL in rd 2. His TE in rd 3. His DL or RB in rd 4
But, early grades are high. I saw an A and B+
We've seen the results of this process -- a terrible allocation of resources. As you mentioned, all those resources spent and the WR corps is buoyed by a UDFA.
Kyle, to be fair, Nicks and Smith were very good players until injuries ruined them. Manningham was also good value for a 3rd rounder till he left.
Its an oversimplification, but I'd rather have a very good WR corps and an ok line then visa versa. I think we're a solid 2nd or 3rd round OL pick from being at least an OK line.
On their board
Really hoping Randle continues to develop and turns into a reliable 800-1000 yard guy. He showed so much promise at times and gets in the endzone.
That said about Beckham...still need O-line. Looking forward to Rnd 2 and hoping for Niklas in 3.
Wut?
Well, the talking heads never compare a draft pick to someone who sucks.
I don't like this logic. Its like complaining about taking Tom Brady 2.0 in the first because the original Tom Brady was a 6th rounder.
A short WR who is fast but not lightening fast where we don't have a primary need, when a higher rated player like Donald or Martin (who the Cowboys got) would have clearly helped much more in positions of greater need than a WR is just a terrible pick.
Our run game will continue to suffer without improving the line so we'll be slinging the ball most of the time just like last year and we'll be easy to defend against the pass because of that. Horrible pick!
Agreed. HOWEVER,they can pick up an OL later that fills their need. It's not necessary the cream of what we pick is this draft is an OL, rather, that we rebuild the line and get it done. a 1st rd pick was judged unecessary. they obviously feel that WR, also a real need, ( as Manning has only Cruz as a dependable pass catcher)was best filled by taking Beckham.
Lets face it, they got the best offensive weapon left in the draft.They decided not to pass up on a guy that could do more to help Manning than an OL AT THAT SPOT. They'll get their linemen later.I hope...
Martin, Ebron, Donald, Beckham. I can honestly say I would have been happy with any one of these guys, so I can't complain.
It's also apparent that the team weighs the character, maturity and intelligence of players heavily. This is a critical piece of the puzzle that most of us can't see no matter how many Youtube videos we watch.
Some guys need to back off the ledge. This guy is the real deal. Check out his tape. Very exciting player. I'm psyched and can't wait to see him in pre-season games.
OL in the 2nd,plenty of quality players to be had.
My issue is with Reese.I don't know who taught him how to build a team but I think he's lost.How many receivers are you gonna take? Not to mention every other year is a strong wide receiver class.
Not a commentary on Beckham himself who spurs excitement, but the Giants should categorically expect elite play and hopefully they get it.
A short WR who is fast but not lightening fast where we don't have a primary need, when a higher rated player like Donald or Martin (who the Cowboys got) would have clearly helped much more in positions of greater need than a WR is just a terrible pick.
Our run game will continue to suffer without improving the line so we'll be slinging the ball most of the time just like last year and we'll be easy to defend against the pass because of that. Horrible pick!
He's been clocked in the 4.3s how much faster does a receiver need to be ??
You can get a guard in the 2nd round, especially the way the draft is working out (you know the run on QB's is coming at the top of the 2nd, and the run on WR's and DB's is now ongoing) and while Martin might be more versatile you can definitely get a very good Guard 2nd round.
My issue is with Reese.I don't know who taught him how to build a team but I think he's lost.How many receivers are you gonna take? Not to mention every other year is a strong wide receiver class.
You been asleep the last 8 years. Amirite?
Part of the problem is people have re-imagined Hakeem Nicks as this Plaxico Burress size guy (while ignoring Cruz/Manningham/Smith) to fit the silly narrative of Eli only being able to successfully throw to tall WRs.
Beckham balls, he'll probably suddenly be some physical menace of height, even if only in spirit, too.
Where's the Round 2 thread?
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but I wouldn't take him over guys like Donald.
My issue is with Reese.I don't know who taught him how to build a team but I think he's lost.How many receivers are you gonna take? Not to mention every other year is a strong wide receiver class.
You been asleep the last 8 years. Amirite?
Hey listen,you don't like what I said,I could care less.Have a good night
That said, I will be a lot happier with the Beckham pick if they get Weston Richburg tomorrow night. I still think OL is their biggest need in this draft, and C is the most glaring of the needs on the OL right now.
Your first post sucked. This one sucked even worse. Keep going though, it's funny to see you continually get it wrong.
Eli, just measured by age, has started on the downside of his career. He is coming off his first serious surgery. I hope we don't start taking his "iron-man" status for granted.
Love the player, question our obsession of sinking high resources into skill players. We have ignored the OL for years, and a value player in Martin was there for us. Now, if we can get Bitonio in the 2nd, this becomes an excellent pick.
The thing that's nice about Beckham is that he's actually a "safe" pick for a WR, a position with an incredibly high bust rate. He's got Reggie Wayne ceiling with a pretty high floor.
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Of course, Jennings was a 2nd Round pick, #52 overall. I hope Beckham is worth taking 40 spots higher.
I don't like this logic. Its like complaining about taking Tom Brady 2.0 in the first because the original Tom Brady was a 6th rounder.
Who's complaining? If you were to redo the 2006 draft, you'd probably draft Jennings a hell of a lot earlier. At the very least, he'd get picked before Chad Jackson (36) or Sinorice Moss (44). You might even pick him before Santonio Holmes (25). Would you draft him #12 overall? I don't know, but in my opinion the Giants just did.
I'm glad they passed on Martin.
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Like someone else said - if they view Martin primarily as a guard, versatility notwithstanding, then the move makes more sense.
And, contrary to what John Mara said - we are still not sure we can rely on Jernigan for the entire season and Randle is still a work in progress. That being said, lack of production from these 2nd and 3rd rounders does not make one totally confident re: their ability to pick wrs. They got lucky with Cruz, damn lucky.
Bottom line, absent compelling evidence to the contrary - a reasonable pick.
If he relegates this guy to the bench on a short leash a la David Wilson then this pick was absolute shit. If he gives this guy snaps and lets McAdoo work with him, we might have something.
Beckhams a good pick, can play on the outside and the slot, watch his tape. There are times when he's the only WR on the field in a run heavy formation drawing double coverage and still making catches. He has the best and most consistent hands in this draft.
Was a mere child back then, but didn't a 2nd round Tackle named Jumbo destroy a 1st ballot HOF end in SB 25?
Let's hope we get similar luck here.
This could have hopefully filled that last position.
they need weapons its a passing league
Donald
Martin
Lewan
Beckham
Ebron
Barr
A couple of others in the mix as well but those seemed to be our real options at the time. Barr, Ebron, and Lewan go during picks 9-11. So then it looks like this in my eyes when it's our turn to pick at 12...
Donald
Martin
Beckham
I wasn't thrilled with the pick because I thought we needed to get stronger in the trenches. I thought both Donald and Martin would be better picks for the Giants than Beckham. Donald's size is an issue but his pass rushing potential inside next to Big Hank and JPP was something I wanted to see. Interior pressure is so important in today's game with the short drops, and Donald has rare pass rush potential from the inside. Martin would've been a solid pick as well. He would've had a lower ceiling than Donald but he was probably the highest floor player in our draft range. Seems like a safe bet to be a very valuable and versatile OLineman, although he may never become a Franchise OT.
I had Beckham ranked behind Donald/Martin, but I also did have him ranked 3rd. I'm not completely sold on him because of his size. I don't know if he is powerful enough to outmuscle NFL DBs. The rest of his game looks very nice. Good looking arms/hands and speed to get deep. Smooth route runner whose biggest asset may be his ability to get separation. I like Beckham + cheaper TE over Ebron + cheaper WR, because Ebron lacks the versatility of Beckham. Ebron is a pass-first TE who is capable of blocking but best running routes. By drafting Beckham, the Giants can still try and find a better run blocking TE who can also make an impact in the passing game.
Big pick and I wonder how much McAdoo played a role in this. Beckham looks like the type of WR that the Packers would draft. He could also help Randle improve his chemistry with Eli. I wanted to go trenches with Martin/Donald but if we were going to go skill position, Beckham was a fine choice at our spot. I'm not going to grade this pick before seeing the rest of the draft, if we fail to address the OL in rounds 2/3/4 I might turn on this pick. But if we can land one or two OLineman in these next 3 rounds, I'll be more open to this pick.
I can't help but think about Will Beatty, it's clear this team is counting on him. He needs to step it up and earn his paycheck.
But here's what I hate: that Dallas took Martin.
Reminds me of when we passed on Sean Lee, who I so wanted the Giants to draft. Hate watching him play against us knowing we could have had him (with apologies to Linval, who was a solid pick).
Hope I don't have the same feeling with Martin down the line.
They needed someone opposite Cruz - you aren't going to solve all the problems in one draft and the Giants really don't have picks to spare - they have a lot of holes.
They have had bad drafts because of blowing 2nd and 3rd round picks - they didn't need to trader up for Jernigan, Austin, Sintim, Barden, Brewer, etc - blown 2nd day picks that's what hurt the Giants
I really think Lewan being taken the pick before screwed everything up. I think Lewan was their preference between him and Martin and he would've been our pick if the Titans didn't take him. I think at best Beckham will be our #3 WR. I don't see him beating out Cruz or Randle. And with the 12th pick, you gotta hope for more than a #3 WR even in year one.
I like ODB, but I just didn't see this as a position of need.
Teams doubled Cruz because they didn't fear anyone else last year.
I like ODB, but I just didn't see this as a position of need.
This^^^
Hopefully Bitonio is there in the 2nd & we actually take him. But even then, the drop-off, while not significant, is still a drop-off between Martin & Bitonio. In my opinion, you have to get more than a #3 WR with the 12th pick.
Teams doubled Cruz because they didn't fear anyone else last year.
It is a position of need. But OL is more of a position of need when your franchise QB is immobile as it is and on top of that is coming off a surgery. Not to mention his LT is coming off a broken leg. Beckham wasn't a horrible pick, but the Giants missed the boat not taking Martin who could've at worst been our starting RG from day one. And who could've kicked out to T if Beatty wasn't healthy or played like shit like he did last year.
Because the didn't think he was as good as Lewan?
I think the drop-off between Martin and what's available now is larger than the drop-off between ODB and guys like Allen Robinson, Marquis Lee, and Jordan Matthews.
One thing for sure, they got a smaller guy than most of the top WR prospects that will still be on the board at 43.
I would have taken either Martin or Donald at 12, probably Donald. Or tried very hard to move back to 32 and taken Marqise Lee (if his medicals are OK.)
Now I'm praying for Tuitt, Hageman, Bitonio, Koundijo(sp?), Sua-Filo (sp?) and Moses, all to be on the board still at 43. Or at least 2 of them.
good pick
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You ^^^ have no real clue as to who will turn out to be a better pro between Martin, Donald and Beckham, neither does anyone else here. Hopefully the Giants got this one right?
You ^^^ have no real clue as to who will turn out to be a better pro between Martin, Donald and Beckham, neither does anyone else here. Hopefully the Giants got this one right?
Just watched his interview with Shmelk. They look eye to eye, maybe Shmelk is a bit taller.
Lordy I hope this is not a mistake!
I thought Eli liked big tall receivers..someone that can go up and fight for the ball. Beckham is what 5'11''. 'Heard that here on BBI'.
Plus didn't we already have a 'Beckham' that had all kinds of potential. ;-)!
I hope you are right. This is what I've been wondering too.
There must be a leak on BBI...
When he was drafted I had visions of splitting him out and using him for end-arounds, working in the flat and screen passes -- something I felt the Giants sorely needed -- but, again, judging from his highlight reels (I never watched him play for LSU), he doesn't appear to operate well in tight spaces. He needs room and he requires separation.
He averages about 16 yards after completion. This is a good number but I don't think it's due to him being elusive. He creates good separation and runs tight, crisp routes. In the end I think he'll be a perfect compliment to Cruz and the Giants can really pick up major chunks of offense (barring a complete OL collapse). He has big, soft hands and a helluva reach for a shorter WR. I think that impressed me the most.
I like the pick. A LOT. If the Giants really wanted Lewan, they could have moved up a spot or 2 to grab him.
And this is a big deal. This kid has the exact skillset Eli works best with - excellent at ball location and bringing it in - my favorite highlights are the ones where he quickly locates passes that ARE NOT on the money and brings them in. Such throws are common with Manning, and at Eli's best, he had Plax and Nicks reeling those ducks in.
Now, go get me Troy Niklas in Rd. 2. :)
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OL early, then WR
They decided the WR available comes first. Now lets see if they go OL next.
OL is still a critical need, and I hope they address it in round 2 or 3.
As for the pick, WR is absolutely a need and it appears there was a lot of value there. I do know the Eagles were high on Beckham and fans wanted them to trade up and snag him.
Total number of first-round offensive linemen on the 2007 and 2011 super bowl teams: 0
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The OL still sucks. 3 of the 5 positions are at best ?s. The DL lost LJ and lacks pass rushers. I was expecting them to run to the podium and take Martin. I would have been happier with Donald then OBJ. It starts and ends with line play. WHat good is OBJ running downfield when Eli doesn't have time to throw it to him. And oh yeah, their running game sucked last year too.
Total number of first-round offensive linemen on the 2007 and 2011 super bowl teams: 0
Different situation TTH. They were able to build and replenish with solid mid round picks (Dueihl), UDFA (Seubert) ans FAs (O'Hara, McKenzie)and do it gradually. This OL is a mess because of poor signings and drafts. It's a much more dire situation now than in 2005
Would have been interesting to see if they would have taken Beckham if Lewan was still there as well as Martin, but they probably still would have.
Kareem McKenzie wasn't even the big-name Free Agent tackle that year.It was Jonas Jennings, and he turned out to be a bust.
The panic over not going offensive line confounds me. There's a lot of talent in the 2nd and we have a pick in the upper part of it. Su-a Filo, Yankey, Bitonio, Moses, Kouandijo are still on the board.
A few official measureables: faster than Evans and Watkins in the 10 and faster than Evans in the 40 and as fast as Watkins; much faster than both of them in the short shuttle and 3 cone; and while no Nicks in hand size (10 1/2"), bigger hands (10") than Watkins and Evans (each at 9 1/2").
I guess the thinking of the FO is that we signed Schwartz, Jerry and Brown for the OL but only Manningham at WR and who knows about his knee. So, BPA, Need and Depth came together to draft Beckham.
You can get a good guard in the 2nd round and unless there is an almighty run on interior o-line then we have a good shot at getting some very good guards.
People are talking about Martin like he was a nailed on all-pro LT. He wasn't. He's a very good oline player but at 12 he'd need to play RT for us and we already have one. There's no value in a guard at 12.
I can't wait to see what this new offense looks like.
of the Wilson draft when they were sure they would get Martin. Now we get a 5'10" with average speed to play opposite another 5'10" WR makes no sense. Especially in a league where the DB's are getting bigger and bigger. Move up, move down do something! They should rehire Gilbride and run the run and shoot with all these smurf receivers. Just disgusting.
of the Wilson draft when they were sure they would get Martin. Now we get a 5'10" with average speed to play opposite another 5'10" WR makes no sense. Especially in a league where the DB's are getting bigger and bigger. Move up, move down do something! They should rehire Gilbride and run the run and shoot with all these smurf receivers. Just disgusting.
Holy crap. you are becoming the worst poster on this board. And that's saying something. Hit the bricks, suckbag.
of the Wilson draft when they were sure they would get Martin. Now we get a 5'10" with average speed to play opposite another 5'10" WR makes no sense. Especially in a league where the DB's are getting bigger and bigger. Move up, move down do something! They should rehire Gilbride and run the run and shoot with all these smurf receivers. Just disgusting.
Not only are your posts factually inaccurate, but you also sound like a clueless fool.
of the Wilson draft when they were sure they would get Martin. Now we get a 5'10" with average speed to play opposite another 5'10" WR makes no sense. Especially in a league where the DB's are getting bigger and bigger. Move up, move down do something! They should rehire Gilbride and run the run and shoot with all these smurf receivers. Just disgusting.
but we have a NEW OC and a new system
so perhaps we need to get rid of our preconceived notions of what the Giants Offensive needs are
but we have a NEW OC and a new system
so perhaps we need to get rid of our preconceived notions of what the Giants Offensive needs are
Offensive line is a need in any NFL offensive system. That being said, I expect less option routes and more shorter routes which means plays and routes should develop faster. By make more quicker routes/throws that means the offensive line has to block for a shorter amount of time. So does that de-emphasize the OL a bit? Maybe?
I'm confident we will land a good OL next, or a TE.
of the Wilson draft when they were sure they would get Martin. Now we get a 5'10" with average speed to play opposite another 5'10" WR makes no sense. Especially in a league where the DB's are getting bigger and bigger. Move up, move down do something! They should rehire Gilbride and run the run and shoot with all these smurf receivers. Just disgusting.
You know, back in 2009 I really wanted the Giants to draft James Laurinitis in the 1st round. I figured they could get a WR later on. Well, they drafted Hakeem Nicks instead, and I was pissed. Two years later, not so much, though.
So, this year, when the Giants passed on Aaron Donald in favor of Odell Beckham, Jr., I decided to take it in stride. I think you should do the same.
Reese has faults, he's had bad picks and some bad drafts, but he's also done way more good than bad. He didn't take a kicker, he took a WR who's a great route runner with superb hands, filling an area of need. That can't be debated and it's what people should focus on when discussing the pick.
Some experts called him the best route runner and most versatile receiver in this draft...
if he was a couple of inches taller he may have been viewed as the best wr in this class...
He has great hands..he had some drops a couple of years ago but came back strong last year and was a very reliable receiver...
He is going to surprise a lot of people...he has dynamic playmaking ability...
I think he could be used like Randal Cobb was used in GB BUT can be split out wide when they need him to be so you can have Randle, Cruz and Bekcham on the field together...
The more I see and learn about this kid, the more I love this pick. Even though I wanted a pass rusher, another weapon for Eli is gold. I heard Roman say Beckham takes the top off the defense, opening things up for Cruz, Randle and a TE to be named later.(today?)
I heard Tom say he can step right in and play. Reese seemed to love the fact that he is "three-pronged", that he can help us in 3 phases, kickoffs, punt returns and as a receiver. Our specials are weak as hell, but all of a sudden we have two huge threats there, Trindon and now ODB. Now we might actually get some field position, and the momentum changes that come with that.
Les Miles and Cam Cameron love the guy. Ray Lewis of all people was all over ODB just before the Giants picked him, which was surprising to me at least.
It also may light a fire under Randle, the LSU bros reunited.
A new day on offense for the Giants. Welcome Odell!
Average speed? He ran a 4.43 40 at the combine and had the fastest 20 and 60 yd shuttle of all WRs! Are you blind?
With great hand technique. He's also the same size as Cruz, Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings etc who also do a very good job with press. If you think you need to be a "big" WR to get off press coverage then you're simply not paying attention.
You are awful.
Did you watch that game with Anak?
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With great hand technique. He's also the same size as Cruz, Reggie Wayne, Greg Jennings etc who also do a very good job with press. If you think you need to be a "big" WR to get off press coverage then you're simply not paying attention.
Ugh, the tone of my post was not what I wanted. I meant to write "how is he AT getting off the press. Leaving out "AT" makes me sound like a skeptic rather than just asking about a part of his game. Doh!
Suck bag?
Douche nozzle?
Shit nose?
This is not really true. He's more quick than fast. Watch his videos and you don't see him pull away regularly.
lmao. this place is amazing.
Check out tape and then get back to me.
Plus he can help out in the return game as well..
Oh you mean the game where he had 5 catches for 118 yards?
we need OL help and reese takes a WR?!?!
i don't think he understands how to build a team. if eli can't stay up right, no one is getting the football.
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He is a good route runner with average speed. He also makes questionable decisions in the punt game. TC will not have this guy back there. Simply not worthy of the 12th pick in the draft with so many other glaring needs.
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There are 6 more rounds holy shit relax...
no way. this is the deepest WR draft in a long time.
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and there are still good OL on the board who will probably make it to 11...OL is deeper than WR in this draft...
no way. this is the deepest WR draft in a long time.
Yes and OL is deeper...there are still 6-7 OL on the board that could come in and start right away...
Beckham was the 3rd best WR by FAR and some think he could end up being the best WR in this draft...best ROUTE runner in this draft..
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and there are still good OL on the board who will probably make it to 11...OL is deeper than WR in this draft...
no way. this is the deepest WR draft in a long time.
Yes and OL is deeper...there are still 6-7 OL on the board that could come in and start right away...
Beckham was the 3rd best WR by FAR and some think he could end up being the best WR in this draft...best ROUTE runner in this draft..
i am not questioning beckham's talent. i just believe it was luxury taking him in the first round when they needed more help at other positions.
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and there are still good OL on the board who will probably make it to 11...OL is deeper than WR in this draft...
no way. this is the deepest WR draft in a long time.
Yes and OL is deeper...there are still 6-7 OL on the board that could come in and start right away...
Beckham was the 3rd best WR by FAR and some think he could end up being the best WR in this draft...best ROUTE runner in this draft..
i am not questioning beckham's talent. i just believe it was luxury taking him in the first round when they needed more help at other positions.
Or the Giants have a need for another outside receiver and reese felt he could get an OL in the 2nd....
So 5 catches 118 yards with a long of 44 yards
2 rushes for 18 yards
4 kick off returns 136 yards
thats not a good performance?
oh and here is the tape since your to lazy to provide it...everyone cna be the judge..
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and Landry was 8 for 109... another shut down performance.
I didn't watch the whole video though.
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Personally, I'm extremely disappointed with the pick (but not the prospect), if that makes sense. Just an opinion. I've been getting ourlads for a decade. They seem to fancy him a quality WR, but I just think we had greater needs elsewhere. I love high, non project, OL guys. Even a guy like Petitgout, for all his warts, served a great purpose for so long. Our OL was atrocious last year. Obviously, FAs were signed, but it would have been nice to have another blue or at least close to blue chipper up there. There are 6 rounds left, but again, just an opinion.
Post of the year right here. I'm not even sure where to begin. Bravo, sir. Bravo.
Ok, I take it back. I can start with "Hicks" and move on to calling a WR group that will start a trio measuring 6', 5'11" and 6'3" as "smurfs." If that was a CB group, they'd be considered enormous.